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Episode 123

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Welcome Andrew Leyland to the show! After I grill Andy on his history with Batman, Barbara Gordon, and his thoughts on Batman in the 1990s, we review and discuss the 1996 story Batman: Legacy. On my own, I review Batgirl and the Birds of Prey: Rebirth #1 and Batgirl #1. Chris gives his Batman ’66 review and my literature recommendation finishes up the episode.


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  • Ian Miller

    Interesting that you stopped reading Batwoman after This Blood is Thick. I agree that that arc wasn’t nearly as well constructed as the previous stuff (except for the Beth and Kate’s family stuff). I was actually talking about the current run of Detective starring Kate as co-leader, which I’m really, really enjoying.

    Haha, so funny that you mention 52, since we were just chatting on twitter about it. I really enjoyed most of it (except for the time travel stuff, really), but I found something very interesting. I don’t know if it was because Rucka was collaborating with so many people, or because of a Crisis, or what, but Kate does not feel the same in 52 as the character in Elegy. There’s a distinct difference in voice, style, and even the tiny bits of backstory we get in 52 that don’t match the character we grew to love in Elegy. Still good, and it can still make sense in a big picture sort of way, but I dont’ think I would have loved Kate based on her 52 appearances alone.

    Bette and Steph do seem to have similar roles, as the “you aren’t good enough” blond ponytailed vigilante sidekicks for a Bat-adult 🙂

    Yes, Tarr said in an interview around the time of Batgirl #45 that Babs and Dick had never officially dated in n52 continuity (http://www.newsarama.com/26551-batgirl-team-on-dick-grayson-s-heartbreak-status-quo-change-for-barbara.html).

    I’m really thrilled to hear your plans to read Birds of Prey and Batgirl! I had similar reactions as you for the two books – I loved Birds of Prey a lot, but though I thought Batgirl #1 was really fun, it wasn’t exactly what I was looking for. But I do think it’s a good book with a lot of potential. However, Birds of Prey just has that great blend of the old and the new, and the character voices combined with the art were really awesome. I particularly love how Claire Roe draws Babs with a lot of strength – I believe this Batgirl can kick butt, and the Bensons make me believe she’s super smart as well.

    If you liked Batwoman: Elegy, I highly recommend Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood. The art isn’t as stunning, but it’s really well done, and there are so many really thoughtful little artistic touches as well as Rucka’s characteristically excellent writing (plus, it has Vic Sage as Question in it! 🙂

  • Donovan Morgan Grant

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard Chris so down on an issue before! It was quite an engaging edition of his segment! As a Bond fan I’ve been vaguely interested in the original properties that first gave the world Honor Blackman, Diana Rigg, and the guy Roger Moore picked on from A View to A Kill. I’d be interested to know what Chris would’ve liked to see displayed more from the first issue as a fan of both shows aside from being better paced.

  • Great job breaking down the two rebirth Batgirl issues. After listening to your SDCC interview with the new writer for Batgirl, I was very surprised to hear that she hasn’t been in communication with the other Rebirth Bat family writers. It also seemed like she was kind of disconnected from the larger comic book community. What are your thoughts? Thanks again for the podcast.
    Sincerely, the other Ian.

    • Ian Miller

      Ahaha! The other other Ian thinks that the Batgirl writers, at least for the past two years (since the Fletcher/Stewart team took over) have been progressively more and more disconnected from the other Bat titles. There were a lot of crossovers, but most of them occurred with titles that Fletcher was writing or co-writing. It seems that, going into Rebirth, DC is capitalizing on Batgirl’s completely different tone and potentially different market segment and trying to go for more self contained stories. While I personally would love Babs to be part of the larger Batfamily in very close connection, I think I understand DC’s strategy, and since I’m not part of this newly targeted audience (and haven’t been for a while), I don’t know how much I have to say about it.

  • Hi Stella and Andy!

    Fantastic episode! You two have an interesting and engaging chemistry. You both are so incredibly polite and nice, the combination should have been diabetes-inducing. However, it made for a really pleasant show and a great combination! I hope you record together again some time soon.

    I’ve never read LEGACY (except the Robin issues), so I was interested in your coverage. You mentioned that LEGACY might be forgotten because it falls between KNIGHTFALL and NO MAN’S LAND. I would offer the alternative opinion that it’s forgotten because it falls between CONTAGION and CATACLYSM. Those two events primarily set-up NO MAN’S LAND, so LEGACY gets lost in the shuffle. Just my opinion for whatever that is worth (and it’s worth a lot!!).

    Also the coverage of the Batman ’66/Avengers comic was surprising. I figured those two would mesh together quite well. I wonder if Jeff Parker (writer of BATMAN ’66) would have provided a more engaging script. Right now Jeff Parker is my hero (with his previous work on AQUAMAN and FLASH GORDON, and current work on FUTURE QUEST).

    And Andy… the Joker for me? Well played. Thanks!

    The Irredeemable Shag
    The Fire and Water Podcast Network

  • Salve, Stella —

    I was also surprised that Barbara chose to leave Burnside for foreign travel. She seemed very invested in being accepted into her graduate program and she can’t have finished the program because she was just gathering data a few issues ago. I’d like to think she would finish what she started.

    Birds of Prey seems like it is going to be interesting, but I haven’t really got an opinion yet. The setup might make Velvet Tiger the mastermind behind ‘bad Oracle’ which would be OK with me. I’ve always liked the Birds and was watching the short lived TV series last winter. The weather is getting colder and I’m kind of looking forward to being stuck inside so that I can finish those episodes.

    I’m assuming that your disappointment with SDCC might have to do with the new ‘R’-rated movie. I’m sorry that the story is still considered central to Batgirl when so many other things have been erased in others history.

    Keep flying high, Stella.

    I enjoyed hearing Andy Leyland’s voice on your podcast. Maybe you could arrange for Tom Panarese to join you for an ‘all educator’ episode.

    Michael Ridge